Tuesday, January 08, 2008

today's forcast; a firestorm.

look at all of us talkity-talk talking about rock racing.
the gossip is out of control.

can you imagine the emails, texts, and myspace messages flying around!

omg, tyler got signed. brb!

fyi, my bff cipo is racing fr rr!

i <3 landis!

i h8 landis!

idk about landis.

they said ball. lol.

rr is kewl.

rr sux.

blah, blah, blah.

so, here's the deal. so, rock f'ing racing is the hot topic in the cycling world right now.

the european countries held their national championships for cx last weekend.
i haven't heard a peep about it on velonews.
all the news that's fit to print is apparently about rock racing.

sure, rock racing has made some news-worthy power moves, and signed some big riders.
big, tainted riders.

riders like, "doped up jerk a", and "doped up jerk b".

and no one likes them.

ok. sure. i don't really think dopers should get a second chance, at all.
but, i don't make the rules. there are tons of busted dopers racing today.
like, doped up jerks c, d, e, and f. but they are either small fish names, or likeable guys. so it's ok.

i would understand if the outrage was against doping... but it seems like it is about rock racing and those particular dopers.
it is disappointing to me. pretty much every pro team you can think of has at least one doped up jerk on it.

so what's new? why the uproar? why the lop-sided hate?

need examples? here's some sound bytes;

from the velonews mailbag:
At a time when pro cycling is amidst the darkest days of doping, it seems like nothing more than a cheap publicity stunt on the part of Ball to hire riders with such checkered pasts. The only good it serves is to add contrast to the great things being done by Vaughters and his Slipstream crew to keep cycling headed towards a clean future
ok. but, doesn't slipstream employ david millar? he did a 2 year ban for doping with epo at the world championship time trial. got stripped of his titles. and he did his time, and is now racing.
other than the fact that he denied any wrongdoing for part of the time before fessing up, what's the difference? tyler never fessed up. so what.
he's guilty, and so is millar. we all know that.

let's do another from velonews;
Frankie Andreu should be seen as a great barometer of the situation in cycling.

He is a great rider, who has paid his dues in all the major and minor races. He has finished nine Tours de France, an impressive record.

He has seen it all in cycling. For him to leave a team, you gotta know something is not right.

I am not saying any of the Rock Racing guys (currently) dope, but the mentality that might find them using new improved methods is not inconceivable in the future, if the win-or-be-fired mentality sticks.
And to not consult the guy behind the wheel, who has seen it all, before hiring riders (some of which he has ridden with or against!) is insane.

I hope Frankie finds a solid team. Let's hope it's a team that is about winning with cycling talent, management, and commitment.
And if fashion is factor, throw Frankie in that argyle, which a lot of us who pay attention are starting to really embrace. He would fit in well.

uh. wtf?

let us not forget that frankie admitted to doping along with several other riders to help lance win the tour de france. again, i must be missing the point. he "would fit in well" with slipstream why? he was a doper.

just like tyler. just like oscar sevilla. just like david millar.

why no doping uproar when frankie joined rock racing a year ago? or when he was running toyota-united?

because right now it's the popular thing to villify rock racing? that's dumb.

i really fail to see the difference between them and say, discovery.
disco had half their team in the puerto documents... and the other half had moved on and gotten busted on other teams, (landis, hamilton, haras, etc.).

i guess disco won the tour 8 times in a row. but, hey. that's all mr. ball wants to do. what's the diff?

so, what is rock racing doing to the cycling scene? what's their effect? let's examine.

  • hiring ex/current dopers.
  • getting a shit-ton of press.
  • funding the las vegas crits.
  • funding the tour of california.
seems like they do pretty much the the same (hiring dopers), or more (funding events) than most teams.

now, let me re-itterate; i don't like dopers.

i don't think you should get a second chance, because if you didn't dope you weren't good enough to deserve a first chance. if you needed to risk it and were busted, well, thanks for playing. good luck with your next endeavor.
but, as i said, i don't get to make the rules, and doped up jerks are hired all the time.

it's just sad the amount of backlash, that's my point.
i'm not trying to tear down these guys i've mentioned above, i'm just saying, why is everyone so concerned about leogrande's tests? does his kit make him any more guilty than any of these other guys?

over at timmercentral you can read the praise hed is getting for pulling sponsorship of rock racing.
that's all fine and good, i guess. it's steve's business not mine.

again, i don't want to rip on hed, or their products, because they are certainly not the only ones distancing themselves from rr, but i just think the anti-rock bandwagon is lame.
people need to just accept the fact that in pro sports there are gonna be cheaters, or pull all your sponsorships.
in 2007, hed supported disco, colavita, and kelly benefits. there are rumors of doping everywhere.

i wanna know what makes rock racing so special.

michael ball gets his share of flack too. and he might deserve it, but read a few of his quotes;
on the alleged 'win-or-get-fired' comment - "You can come up with anything you want, but I never said win or you're fired. Everyone is still on the team. Not everybody wins, but I want wins, without a doubt. I want my guys to go out there, every single race, to win. Not to train, but to win."

on his management style - "Some people don't like my style. Here is what I have to say about that: Be as successful as me, and then tell me you don't like my style. Everyone that is as successful or more successful than myself appreciates what I'm doing here. This is not just about bicycling, or racing, this is about building something and bringing it to cycling."

on frankie andreau leaving rock racing - "This is new to me," Ball said. "He's been living (cycling) his whole life. We didn't mesh in the sense that I don't know what a director sportif's traditional role is. I know what I need to do in order to push my team and promote my brand. If there was miscommunication and the ball was dropped in terms of what his role was in the team, I'm sorry for that, frankly. But at end of day he's a good guy, and I have nothing negative to say about Frankie."

on the controversial hirings - "I'm into giving people a shot. It's sort of my philosophy in life, give people a chance. Where I come from, I didn't get a whole lot of chances. I had to fight, tooth and nail. I can relate."

i don't know if rock racing is good for cycling.

but, i will tell you this; they are not bad for cycling. i bet you dimes to dollars every guy that rock racing signed would still have a job somewhere in the pro peloton for 2008 if rock had not signed them. that's a fact. (except maybe cipo).

ttfn.

15 comments:

los said...

i admit: i only read the first third of this post, and then my eyes glazed over.

therefore, this comment is less than relevant.

(dis)pencer said...

yeah.
sorry about that.

it got quite long, and no pictures or anything...

i will post some extra stupid videos this week to make amends for all the reading.

Anonymous said...

Lumping in Frankie as a doper with the other cyclists who have been or are implicated in doping scandals is wrong. He didn't dope his entire career as many did. He refused to dope after the 1999 Tour and was let go. Do you really believe that the only people who ever used a PED are those who have admitted it or been caught? That's foolish. Frankie doped - short time. That doesn't make him a doper his entire career. I'm not condoning it. Given the time he raced, he was among one of the cleaner guys.
Betsy Andreu

Homme said...

I hate pro racing in general. Not because I know they dope, but because I don't want to get my hopes up and realize I was chearing for a loser.

Pro cycling sucks and I think the sponsors are at least 50% to blame for this (which by proxy means that you and I are part of that 50% because we buy the shit the push).

Ball is (this is from every interview I've ever read) jack sauce as far as I'm concerned. I don't care how f-in nice his pants are or what he rolls in, the guy is despicable.

I'm mostly pissed because when I first heard about RR, I though they were an anti-establishment anti-doping crusaders. I was obviously wrong, and now I'm pissed. Maybe that is my own fault for getting my hopes up and getting them dashed, again. Combine that with a full realization of who (ass)Ball really is, makes for pissed off Homme.

Now, jump my ass and say none of them have been busted or they've already served their time, but that's not the point. Point out all the other teams with dopers if you like, I hate them too.

(dis)pencer said...

good for him.

frankie has been getting nothing but love for having to put up with micheal ball and his team of dopers. (and i'm sure it was a pain in the ass).

but, i'll tell you what's foolish, thinking that even though someone just did it once, or for a tour, or a season, makes doping any more acceptable.

guilty is guilty.
kudos to him for admitting it, albeit years late. it helps, and i still have respect for him, but you and he need to come to terms with the fact that there will always be that astrik next to his name.

from what i've seen and read about him, he seems like a really great guy. i hope he finds, (or starts), a new team to work with.
it shouldn't be a problem, b/c every team out there seems to have a former busted doper on the roster somewhere.
and that's not a jab at frankie... that's a sad reality.

it's foolish when people try to sugar coat it.

(dis)pencer said...

homme-

i feel you on that rant.
the doping in the pro scene is obscene. i am (obviously?) quite jaded with it too.

that is why, in the past, i have gone on record in the past as saying; "local cat 2 racers are my heroes".

not to say no cat 2's ever dope, but hey, it's alot more honest.

Super Rookie said...

holy crap.

frankie's wife commented on here.

you have made it to the big time.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the haters hate the fact that Rock Republic is a HUGE sponsor of Tour of California and Tour of Georgia.

I bet if Rock pulled their money and the races went to even more financial insecurity and left the sport that people would be missing the races...

I think this guy has the gall to back up what he says. He seems like the new kid in school and the "cool" kids don't like what he is doing so they want to create an atmosphere of hate, the difference is that this new kid has Millions.

Anonymous said...

"That's foolish. Frankie doped - short time. That doesn't make him a doper..."

Says you!

Hmmm, so a one-time felon isn't a felon.

(PS Frankie went on to work for the same team....??? Huh?)

Unknown said...

Spencer, from a bike industry perspective Ball is nothing but bad. there was way more to HED's 'sponsorship' issue than tyler alone. we saw the RR opportunity in the same way that Homme mentioned above and then it started to change drastically.

(dis)pencer said...

i get that he's a dick 99% of the time.

but, what i don't get is what the general public turns and hates on the riders.

i see shit like, "oh horner is lucky he didn't join rr"...

ok, but he did join astana.

equally as dirty, but with a better contract.

i don't want to make this about HED of their postion, or frankie andreau... it's alot bigger multi-faceted issue than that.
i understand HED's decision, (and scott, etc.), you/they have every right not to do biz with someone you don't like. frankie too.

Anonymous said...

Wait.

Are you saying there are double standards?

(dis)pencer said...

timmmer- as far as bike industry, ball obiviously doesn't get it.

he is at another level of buisness, that is well above the bike industry.
his "crazy" demands and all show that.

the bike industry can't keep up with him.

that's ok. if scott pulled out b/c they can't meet his demands, and got sick of him thats fine by me.

Anonymous said...

Hey wait, I'm a cat 2! :) Yea, my first fan.

StevenCX said...

That Ball doesn't 'get it' is an understatement. Check it. Hed sums it up well: "'It is just kind of a relief,' he said. 'Because the liabilities you have as a manufacturer on something that can implode on you ... I feel bad for anyone, even my competitors, that have had that happen to them, because we are all in this together.'" We are all in this together.